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Date: October 13, 1986 14:32
From: KIM::BEHENSKY
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
In the annals of history, today may be remembered as the time when the earth tottered on the brink of peace, and fell back into the abyss of an uncontrolled nuclear arms race. Consider what was offered to Reagan in Iceland: A 50% cut in balistic missiles over the next 5 years with a goal of TOTAL ELIMINATION within ten. COMPLETE REMOVAL of all medium range nuclear missiles from Europe and a limit of only 100 launchers in Asia. Given the recent concessions by the Soviets regarding on-site verification, cheating by either side would be virtually impossible. What price would the US have to pay to drastically reduce the nuclear threat to human civilization? Just that Star Wars be confined to laboratory research for the next ten years, and that any deployment after that time be subject to negotiation between the US and USSR. Sadly for humanity, Reagan refused to give up his pipe dream of an invulnerable shield for the US, and the summit ended in failure. Reagan's position is incomprehensible if you accept his rhetoric that SDI is a "purely defensive" shield for the US population; what's the point of Star Wars if the missiles it is designed to shield against are eliminated? On the other hand, it makes perfect sense if what Reagan is after is a shield to enhance the possibility of a sucessful US first strike against the Soviets. Reagan's positon is not one that that the Russians could possibly accept, at least if they have any sense. He wants both the US and Russia to reduce their arsenals, while the US develops and tests a defensive system. Then, just at the time when we have a partially effective defense complete, Russia's stockpile would be reduced to the point where Star Wars might have some chance of success and we could wipe them out with relative impunity with our remaining warheads. It's like a party to a Mexican standoff sugessting: "To increase our security let's both get rid of all our bullets but one, and meanwhile I'll put on this bulletproof vest". All I can hope for is that Gorbachev lasts in power until 1988 and that a more reasonable man replaces the extremely dangerous president we have now. Reagan had a chance to end the arms race and blew it; lets hope we all survive long enough for wiser heads to prevail.
(2 / 12)
Date: October 13, 1986 15:04
From: KIM::DOWNEND
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
From everything I've read, technologists say that SDI will never work. Isn't it interesting that the soviets are willing to give up so much to stop something that will never work? Maybe Reagan wants the Soveits to give up more than just 50% of their arsenal in the next 5 years. Wouldn't it be amazing if Reagan can get the Soviets to make a really major concession for fear of something that would never work anyway? I don't think I would want to play poker with Reagan.
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Date: October 13, 1986 15:52
From: KIM::SALWITZ
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
I agree with Max 200%. I think Chris is giving Mr Reagan MUCH to much credit as a Poker player. They don't teach poker in acting class.. only listening to the director.. and Mr Reagan does that very, very well. jfs
(4 / 12)
Date: October 13, 1986 16:06
From: KIM::WIEBENSON
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
I don't think SDI could ever protect the US from the USSR or the USSR from the US. Neither would continue to exist, politically if not physically, if either decided to attack with nukes. SDI, if it ever works, just might protect both from a nuclear terrorist, who has an interest in seeing the whole world go belly-up. The failure at the summit was in being able to trust on another just a little bit. Reagan's administration thinks the USSR wants to govern the US, and the USSR thinks the US wants to govern them, when each already is stretched to the limit. We must find a way to work together to protect the whole world from real threats. There is considerably more in common between the two nations than each wants to admit.
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Date: October 14, 1986 12:38
From: KIM::HARP
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
Personally, I don't believe that the USSR is really willing to flush their nukes just because some lab bat shot a hole in the wall (and on the other hand I have read printed rumors that NASA has done SDI tests that only involve smart missles in space based clusters) but I do believe that the USSR probably knows more about the actual potential of SDI than the US public because they are willing to spend large amounts of cash to find out what we are really up to. Just the fact that they have made such a radical offer indicates that their intelligence has told them that SDI is real. I don't think that they would just take Mr. Ronnie's word for it (and will someone please tell me why the President is announcing to the world what our defense engineers are doing in the lab?) and you can bet that they are developing one of their own. Our President is quoted as saying "In god we trust, all others pay cash" in Russian at the summit which shows what a pinhead he really is. He should be removed from office immediately. In SDI I trust and I'll program it for cash in advance. I don't believe the pop technoligists who doubt that star wars will work because even Albert Einstein said MAN WILL NEVER SEE THE INSIDE OF THE ATOM. And for that matter I don't believe that E is equal to exactly MC**2, I mean it could have been MC**2.0139576 or even MC**300,069**1.0594631. And what ever happened to nuclear winter anyway? Does anyone really believe that implementing star wars and pushing the button will only destroy the USSR? How can hundreds of cities be destroyed and not affect the rest of the world? The USSR offer is bogus and had we aggreed to their terms they would still build more nukes and even more strongly consider to use them. And now for even more opinions please stand by for: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * the * * S K Y P I L O T * * * * I N Q U I S I T I O N * * is * * T A K I N G O F F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * the DISINFORMATION SYSTEM has been made available to certain systems To receive on non MIKE or SANDY systems just type: mcr kim::sys$userdisk:[harp]DS Use no scroll to pause * * * Use ctrl/C to cancel (Sorry but MIKE and SANDY are currently excommunicated)
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Date: October 14, 1986 14:06
From: KIM::BEHENSKY
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
A lot of messages on the system have used the following argument: "If Star Wars doesn't work, why are the Russians afraid enough of it that they are willing to give up 50% of their balistic missiles to prevent the US from testing it over the next 10 years?". The fallacy here is that SDI does not have to work very well to pose a severe threat to Russia's security. A very "leaky" space defense system would not protect the US population in any meaningful sense from a massive Russian first strike attack, but could easily fend off the weakened retaliation to a US first strike against Soviet strategic targets. Star Wars, in direct contradiction to Reagan's rhetoric, is effectively an offensive system which could allow the US to destroy Russia with reduced casualties. Obviously the Russians can not accept the US being able to destroy them with relative impunity. The US developed nuclear weapons in the first place, is the only nation in the world to have used them in anger, and consistently has refused to adopt a policy of "no first use" for these weapons. Authoritative sources have documented many times since world war II when US presidents have seriously considered using nuclear weapons in regional conflicts, the last by Richard Nixon in Vietnam. Given this history, why should they trust us with their lives? As I see it, they have four options at this point: 1. Try to negotiate an end to SDI development before a system is deployed. If they offer, as they have, the mutual elimination of the missiles that SDI is designed to protect against, there is no legitimate reason for the US to not agree. This is the best option for the Russians, the American people, and humanity at large. 2. Try to develop a SDI system of their own. Since they lag far behind in most of the necessary technologies, especially computation and intelligent computer software, this is not very viable. The Russians could easily wind up bankrupting their country in a race where if you come in second you are completely at the mercy of your opponent. 3. Embark on a massive nuclear buildup to overwhelm any possible defense system. Star Wars is very expensive and completely speculative, while nuclear weapons are fairly cheap and known to work. This aproach will be tough for the USSR given their economic condition, but if they feel their lives depend on it they will take it, and the world will take another step toward ultimate disaster. 4. If SDI looks like it will work, the Soviets can't build up fast enough to be sure of overwhelming it, and the US won't negotiate the Russians have a final option. The destruction they would experience from the retaliation to a USSR first strike made before SDI is operational would be small compared to that from a US first strike afterward. Especially in a time of international tension, the temptation to cut their losses by wiping us out before it's too late for them could be overpowering. Gorbachev proposed solution #1 in Iceland. Hopefully hearts will change and it will be accepted, or we'll see some combination of 2,3, or 4 over the next decade.
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Date: October 14, 1986 14:10
From: KIM::MARGOLIN
To: KIM::BEHENSKY,MARGOLIN
The Russians have promised not to be the first nation to use nuclear weapons. It is an easy promise to keep. They cannot be the first; we were. Jed
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Date: October 14, 1986 14:31
From: CHARM::MORRIS
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
Another way of looking at this situation (Not necessarily my way of seeing it) is that the Russians believe that Reagan will not negotiate SDI at all. Therefore they can offer the world, with utter conviction that their bluff will never be called. Thus they are in a position to say to the world:- "Look what we offered, and the Americans turned down, Now whose the bad guy?". It would seem to be a great publicity coup for the current "good image" hungry administration of the USSR. Maybe that is why its called Russian roulette??
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Date: October 15, 1986 14:27
From: KIM::HARP
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
First strike? Successful first stike? A successful first strike in the arena of nuclear war means wiping out every single nuke of your opponent and somehow sealing off your whole country's environment from the rest of the world. If only a few of the opponents nukes survive your 'first strike' they can destroy every non-shielded electrical device (every car, radio, computer, etc.) with the EMP from just 2 or 3 well placed nukes above your country as well as blind every unprotected animal. Just blinding the non-human animals will effectively destroy some or not all of the world's ecology. So even if you blast all of the other guy's nukes the radio-toxic smog from your 'succesfully' destroyed opponent could block out the sun for as much as a year. The US arsenal could cause this effect 100 times over. If you somehow conduct a 'clean' attack (with no blinding flashes) then the contamination of the world's air and seas from the opponent's destroyed industries could make survival very interesting for quite some time. But still who can say that the clean destruction of a country could not ultimately destroy the world's ecology? In the case of the 'first strike' the winner suffers the most and the loser dies quite humainly (well most of them anyway). So can the USSR get their own 'Star Wars'? There is an article on my office wall that says they can and cheaply. Is it propaganda? Probably. CORRECTION: Comrade Albert actually said that science would never crack open the atom. If Comrade Albert can be wrong then so can the people who say that SDI won't work. (and then again maybe not) If it does work can it get every single nuke? What about short range missles from submarines that never become ballistic? Could the actual use of SDI be to keep civilian populations in line? The invention of nuclear weapons was an accidental stroke of good luck to a country that was tired of fighting WWII. The responsible scientists were inspired by the unbelievable actions of Mr. Adolph and unfortunately another country got the package meant for him. I do not believe that the USSR has considered the limited use of nukes less than the US. I believe we just know less about what their leaders say in private. So let the USSR go bankrupt building more nukes or their own 'star wars' and let the US continue the develop and implement SDI. The research could have valuable side effects (such as in body viewing of molecules with the X-ray laser) and the USSR won't push the button if they can't instantly vaporize US (regardless of whether they believe they'll live happily ever after). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * the * * S K Y P I L O T * * * * I N Q U I S I T I O N * * * * W E L C O M E S Y O U * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * recent changes in the universe have allowed us to announce that the DISINFORMATION SYSTEM is available to more systems To receive on MIKE (you are absolved and reincommunicated) just type: mcr kim::sys$userdisk:[harp]DS Use no scroll to pause * * * Use ctrl/C to cancel
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Date: October 15, 1986 14:53
From: KIM::VICKERS
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
Maybe it's time we stopped asking questions like, "will Star Wars really work?" and started asking the important questions. Like, "How do we sign up for those big defense contracts?" I know this is going to be a little controversial, but I'm proposing that Atari offer to write the software for the SDI project. Few people realize it, but we are one of the leaders in this field. We wrote the very first Star Wars software, and it worked perfectly. We have a great deal of expertise in the areas of collision detection and tracking of motion objects. We have done precise and detailed simulations of anti-ballistic-missile warfare. And top military and government leaders seem to feel that the implementation of SDI software is as simple as, say, adding a few (hundred million) extra lines of code to our Missile Command software. Since the name "Atari" might be a handicap for this particular application, I suggest we bring back our Kee Games subsidiary. This has the added advantage that if the software doesn't work right the first time, it won't damage Atari's reputation. Frankly, I think we all know that a lot of the companies who are out there raking in big SDI bucks would never be able to survive in the kind of rough-and-tumble competitive marketplace which we thrive on. Would you feel any safer if the software for SDI were written by Lockheed or McDonnell Douglas? I know I wouldn't.
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Date: October 15, 1986 16:08
From: KIM::MARGOLIN
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK,MARGOLIN
Critics of the proposed SDI system have charged that it will require the extensive use of computers with millions of lines of code which will never be completely tested unless the system is actually used. Also, the system would somehow have to deal with new threats (new weapons) which it was not pre-programmed to recognize. There is a solution to this problem which Atari is uniquely able to provide. Under an appropriate Defense Contract Atari could set up special "arcades", starting with one in each major U.S. city. These "arcades" would contain "video games" which would in actuality be running a simulation of the SDI system. The consoles could be connected to have player versus player or the entire "arcade" could be operated as a team, playing the teams in other cities. The kids will find all the bugs and figure out strategies that the SDI planners had never considered.The activities will be appropriately monitored so that these bugs (and new strategies) can be recognized and applied to the real SDI system. These centers can also help by identifying talented perspective personnel. The cost to the players will be the same as other video games. (If they were on Free Play the kids would get quickly bored.) The Russians will have their agents spend time in these centers to test the capabilities of the system. Good. The monitoring equipment will detect any successful new strategies. PS - I hope the "real" SDI system can point away from the earth as well as toward it. It would be really terrific if we were invaded by creatures from space and had a defense system that we couldn't turn around. Like a kind of cosmic Maginot Line. Jed
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Date: October 15, 1986 16:21
From: KIM::HORN
To: @SYS$MAIL:JUNK
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ETC. SDI, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
Oct 13, 1986